Albert Einstein: God vs Science

albert-einsteinI wanted to share a piece about where the student argued the point of God vs Science with his professor.

‘Let me explain the problem science has with religion.’

 The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand
‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?’
 ’Yes sir,’ the student says.
 ’So you believe in God’
 ’Absolutely.’
‘Is God good?’
‘Sure! God’s good.’
‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’
‘Yes’
 ’Are you good or evil?’
‘The Bible says I’m evil.’
 The professor grins knowingly.
‘Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment. ‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’
‘Yes sir, I would.’
‘So you’re good…!’
‘I wouldn’t say that.’
‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’
 The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?’
The student remains silent.
‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
‘Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good?’
‘Er…yes,’ the student says.
‘Is Satan good?’
The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’
‘Then where does Satan come from?’
The student falters. ‘From God’
‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?’
‘Yes, sir.’
‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything, correct?’
‘Yes’
‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’
Again, the student has no answer. ‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’
The student squirms on his feet. ‘Yes.’
‘So who created them?’
The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them?’ There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized. ‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’
The student’s voice betrays him and cracks. ‘Yes, professor, I do.’
The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’
‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him.’
‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’
‘No, sir, I have not.’
‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’
‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’
‘Yet you still believe in him?’
‘Yes’
‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’
‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’
‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’
The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’
‘And is there such a thing as cold?’
‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’
‘No sir, there isn’t.’
The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.’
‘Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’
 
Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.
‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’
‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’
‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word.’
‘In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’
The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’
‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’
The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’
‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.
It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’
‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’
 
‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.’
‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’
The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’
The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.
‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’
The student looks around the room. ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’ The class breaks out into laughter.
‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.’
‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’
Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.
Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’
‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’
Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it everyday It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’
To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’
 The professor sat down.

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15 Responses to “Albert Einstein: God vs Science”
  1. dave says:

    Free Will…..he gave us free will

  2. Don Bohn says:

    I received your short story via E-mail. Wonderful!

  3. David Merced says:

    Your little tale involving Albert Einstein and his professor never happened. It’s erroneous and I thought everyone on the internet knew that. In fact, Einstein had no personal god(s).

  4. David, The story is not weather is actually happened it is to make a point!

  5. Thresher says:

    http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp
    Sorry, nice story but it doesn’t add gravitas to include science’s best student. And Lady Kathleen, it’s “whether” not weather.

  6. Jim says:

    So, if I’m to read this correctly Kathleen, you are saying it’s ok to perpetuate a lie as long as you are making a point? I mean, it’s a nice anecdote, even if the so-called philosophy professor’s arguments are simplistic and childish at best, why does it have to falsely feature Einstein? Ah, yes, as it was said, to lend gravitas, to make someone believe it’s true, instead of just enjoying an anecdote.

  7. Lady Kathleen says:

    Why Einstien, because without Einstien part of the point of the story is lost!

    It is aan anecdote for us all to talk about… which is what you did..

    Have a wonderful day!!

  8. Bridgid says:

    I have to side with Jim on this one Kathleen. I think the people who fabricate these stories are thieves. They steal someone else’s reputation and use it for their own purposes. My question is, why does this occur so often among Christians? I can point to dozens of similar emails that each hijack some famous person and then put words in that person’s mouth. More often than not, the words conveniently echo a Christian or conservative talking point. To me, this tactic is a red flag. It tells me that the philosophy or ideology presented in the false story cannot stand on its own two feet, so the author of the story has to embellish it.

    There would be nothing wrong with this story if you left Einstein out of it. The professor’s argument would still be pretty lame, which is the point of the story: Godless liberal professors are so stupid they can be outsmarted by righteous Christian college students. Why not leave it at that?

  9. OK I have a question!

    In this little test, did at this point over 2500 people read this post, Is it because of the subject matter or because Albert Einsteins name was in the title and his picture was inserted? and what search word was used most to find this post?

    I know because I have the data!

    Thank you everyone who helped in this little experiment!

  10. Alf says:

    Dear Kathleen: I suppose you are a faithfull girl and that´s the reason to do your test. I´m a believer too, but I agree with the people who wrote that is not correct to use a lie to spread the Christian principles, because it has no point. God dosn´t need or support our lies, it is out of question. In my view point science and God are not opposit. I am a medical doctor and as a result a scientist, with a solid science based education, and I believe science is a gift from God. Evolution? why not? it is not against the idea of a God that creates life. What could be the big bang but God´s Word in action?. We as Christians most show an special love for truth, and we have to show the Love of God in action in our lives. There are a lot of beautiful stories in internet but they are false, so we can´t use these stories as a proof of the love of God… It is not ok to inspire sadness or sorrow in order to make people think about God… there are a lot of true stories of love and compassion, so we don´t have to invent stories to touch people´s hart. We have to use always the truth, no matters what. Machiavelo was wrong.
    May the Bless of God be with you always.
    PS. sorry by my english, is not my maternal language

  11. Ken says:

    I was impressed enough to send this one to quite a few people, and embarrased when my Christian cousin (a medical doctor) called me on it, “I wish Albert had said it.” I agree that lies should not be perpetrated. I usually look for a citation, and I should have checked this one. It appears that Albert did not write such a book, article, or lecture, and that the “school boy – professor dialogue” could be based upon.

    I’ve sometimes wondered if people on the left (or the right, I suppose) PLANT ideas that group thinkers would like to repeat, ON PURPOSE to make the other group look stupid. The reason would be to then make all the arguments of the other group look stupid and not neeed refutation.

    The POSSIBILITY of this should be another reason (aside from the commandment that discourages rumors and slander) to make anybody in a group think before “forwarding.” I know I screwed up on this one.
    K.
    (But I do like the quote someone added to this discussion: “If Einstein didn’t believe in God when he was alive, he surely does now.”)

  12. Matt says:

    I’ve seen this email several times and it has gradually evolved (no pun intended) into the most recent which I got last week. Basically, using logic to prove the existence if God is faulty.

    I would comment further here but I had way to much to say, so I broke the whole thing down in a blog post: http://coalblacksea.blogspot.com/2010/04/god-vs-science.html

    I invite everyone to read my explanation and analysis and comment.

  13. Alex says:

    You know it’s funny. People say christians are narrowed minded but I look at these comments and it really sounds like the people who do not believe in God or thinks this story is a joke is narrow minded. It just makes me laugh that people are so so so so so so stupid!!!!

  14. lili87 says:

    I think the story it inspiring, but do not understand why people get it so personal?? I mean all this people complaining about Albert’s name being in it related to him?? or why do they sound so angry at it?? but you cannot chance peoples mind. I think it was a great…All of you have a blessed day

  15. Landon says:

    Amazing. either way everybody makes a good, valid point, But nobody knows and nobody will ever know (untill you die) If we as people were ment to find out if a “God” exists or does not, we would have known by now.

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